[Gimp-developer] Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 71, Issue 24

[Anke Lange]

Well, the thing I like most on Gimp is that you can squasch and squeeze 
it the way you want.

I teach classes for adults how to use Gimp. And the first thing my 
pupils do is to learn how to insert new dialogs and how to optimize the 
toolbox.

I work with a beamer in my classes and most of them have a resolution of 
800 x 600. So most of the time there does no picture fit between the two 
dialog-boxes. So I tend to place the tollbox in a long line above the 
picture-window and place the tool-options in the top of the dialog-box. 
That gives me at least a bit of space to open a photo.

I know, that a lot of people have different needs, so it's realy only a 
case of making it as flexible as possible. The dialog-boxes on the left 
side is a very good idea in my opinion. I made the same experiences with 
windows users. The fist thing they do is closing the dialog-box

Just my 2cents

Anke

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>    1. Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 (Alexia Death)
>    2. Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 (Guillermo Espertino)
>    3. Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 (gg at catking.net)
>    4. Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 (Alexia Death)
>    5. Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 (Sven Neumann)
>    6. Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 (Sven Neumann)
>    7. Re: Proposal new default layout starting 2.6 (Guillermo Espertino)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:29:40 +0300
> From: Alexia Death <alexiadeath at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Proposal new default layout starting 2.6
> To: "gimp-devel" <gimp-developer at lists.xcf.berkeley.edu>
> Message-ID: <200808232229.41242.alexiadeath at gmail.com>
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> On Saturday 23 August 2008 13:19:35 Sven Neumann wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 11:18 +0300, Alexia Death wrote:
>>     
>>> In my opinion this layout(thin toolbox, one large dock) is preferable to
>>> first time users. It has familiarity. They wont feel lost when GIMP loads
>>> for the first time.
>>>       
>> For a new GIMP user it is crucial that the tool-options are always fully
>> visible and your proposed setup does not meet this simple criterion.
>>     
> Tool options can be locked in place as the top of the dock set and 
> that criterion is filled. Toolbox locked tool options do not serve that purpose 
> any better. That little bit you save in scrolling if you dock your tool 
> options under toolbox is in my opinion hardly worth the space a second full-
> width docker takes from the space reserved for the primary objective, working 
> on your image.
>
> I think I need to state that my image was not an "exactly like this" proposal. 
> There are altogether three points it tries to make. First, the image window 
> needs to be incorporated into the default layout. Second, two dock sets take 
> too much space(literally, on a smaller screen with two docks they can take up 
> 2/3 of the screen.) and third, a bit of familiarity for the first time 
> users(separate, 2 line toolbox) can not hurt. Yes, tool options need to be 
> visible by default and so does layers dialog, I agree... But that is secondary 
> to the generic layout.
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:44:40 -0300
> From: Guillermo Espertino <gespertino at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Proposal new default layout starting 2.6
> To: gimp-developer at lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU
> Message-ID: <1219520680.7330.17.camel at ohweb01a>
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> If you check this list's log you'll learn that the layout you suggest
> has already been proposed about a year ago.
> I know because I did it.
> Later I proposed that layout again in my brainstorm entry about the
> no-image-open dialog.
>
> I used that layout for several months, but I changed my mind. And now
> I'm using a totally different one.
>
> http://www.ohweb.com.ar/screenshots/one-window-layout.png
>
> The screen space usage is addressed too, and I have all in one (I have
> one window button less in the bottom panel with gimp 2.4, and that's
> good). This shows that a single problem may have more than one solution
> (although this solution has the disadvantage of being only useful with
> high screen resolutions).
>
> One of the Gimp's strengths is being able to customize the UI to have
> your layout, my layout and differents layouts, depending on what are
> your needs.
>
> But, in other hand, Gimp has a problem with it's default layout (in my
> oppinion). And it's not the lack of familiarity with photoshop or
> whatsoever.
> They tell us that this layout is better for new users, but every new
> user I know (mostly when they come from windows) the first thing they do
> is closing the right docker (trying to close the program). And they
> loose it forever (they have to re-construct it if they want it back).
> That's overkill.
> That's one of the things that make gimp's UI look weird for newcomers.
> And that's frequently a problem with multiple windows UIs. You don't
> know what X closes the program and you end up closing other windows.
>
> I'd try to address this problem instead of thinking on mimicking other
> programs UIs looking for "familiarity".
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:51:51 +0200
> From: gg at catking.net
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Proposal new default layout starting 2.6
> To: alexiadeath at gmail.com, gimp-devel
> 	<gimp-developer at lists.xcf.berkeley.edu>
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> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:29:40 +0200, Alexia Death <alexiadeath at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
>   
>>  and third, a bit of familiarity for the first time
>> users(separate, 2 line toolbox) can not hurt.
>>     
>
>   

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