[Gimp-developer] The toolbox Wilber problem

[Flávio Pontes]

Peter,

After I wrote the message I decided to take a look at the UI wiki and
what I found there is basically what I was thinking could be improved in
the UI.

It finally sank that it's just too early to see everything solved. Heck
the analysis stage isn't complete yet and here I am complaining about a
stupid thing. Anyway. I began to use the program more and I came to
appreciate a lot of small tweaks, like the better brush dynamics and
even the wilber area in the toolbox, although I still think we can do
better.

Sorry for the complaints. As I said, I got frustrated because I am the
only advocate for free software at work and GIMP is against a program
that's so mature, it's really difficult to make a case, even pointing
out it's unique capabilities.

My apologies again. Now I see that we couldn't ask for a better UI team.

Best regards,

Flávio.

Em Dom, 2008-10-05 às 18:10 +0200, peter sikking escreveu:

> Flávio Pontes wrote:
> 
> > The real problem are all the inconsistencies that have gone into a  
> > STABLE release. A release that was supposed to solve a lot of UI  
> > problems, but looks like an alpha quality release from the UI  
> > viewpoint.
> 
> 2.6 was to be a gegl-under-the-hood-only version, but we did some
> UI renovation as well.
> 
> > The most glaring example I can see right now is the supposed  
> > transformation of the Toolbox and the dockable dialogs in utility  
> > windows. It actually makes the situation worse. Now, if I minimize  
> > the "main" window, I can't minimize the other ones. Isn't it great?  
> > I really hope it's a bug[...]
> 
> there we could tighten up things, yeah. but I fear the fixes may have
> to be in gtk. minimising all image windows, or the no-image-window,
> should minimise the whole app, meaning the toolbox and inspectors
> get hidden.
> 
> then there are a couple of dozen window managers out there that do not
> implements the display hints as recommended...
> 
> anyway, UI changes always provoke reaction(ary uproar). that is why
> I'll give it a month to see if it still hurts then. meanwhile I will
> take all this energy to see if we can do even better than this.
> 
> with regards to horizontal toolbox layouts (the GIMP UI team says:
> vertical works definitely better, btw...), if we can find out that
> there are only 1 or 2 rows of icons in the toolbox, we could hide wilber
> automatically for these cases.
> 
>      --ps
> 
>          founder + principal interaction architect
>              man + machine interface works
> 
>          http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture
> 
> 
> 
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