[Gimp-developer] save + export...

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peter sikking wrote:
> Liam wrote:
> 
> I had a careful look at this:
> 
>> My own workflow for www.fromoldbooks.org tends to be,
>> 1. scan image with xsane plugin
>> 2. crop if needed
>> 3. save as "306-svens-ankles-raw.png
>> 4. either quit after doing several of these, or continue with one...
>> 5. use levels, curves, rotate, flatten, and save as
>>   e.g. 306-svens-ankles-cleaned.png
>> 6. spend up to an hour cleaning up the scanned image, under
>>   the same name
> 
> I guess you realised by now that with the new attitude GIMP prefers
> that you do all this in xcf, so we can fully support you. Then
> you can Export to something you consider archival/future proof.
> 

Hi,

there is a problem with this new attitude. Why does GIMP try to impose 
this " you will work with xcf or die" dictate?

Sure xcf is a good format and has some useful features. However, if I 
want to open (and I mean open, not "import") a png image make a couple 
of simple mods and save it, GIMP is getting in my way and trying to 
impose a one-size-fits-all way of working.

Here I want to do some simple editing and save. I do not want to 
"export" to a format which the file already had before I opened it, 
neither be bugged about layers being flattened and compression ratios etc.

All I require is open: edit: save , in original format with original 
options.

currently I have to jump through hoops and probably delete an extranious 
xcf that got created along the way because of a temporary save I did to 
preserve an edit.

This is uncomfortably close the MS approach of "we know best so you'd 
better fall into line."

Can't this be made less intrusive?

regards.




>> 7. make jpeg versions at various sizes, by
>>   7.1 save as 306-svens-ankles-1.jpg
>>   resize image smaller (e.g. to 75%)
>>   sharpen, curves etc if needed
>>   7.2 save as 306-svens-ankles-2.jpg
>>   undo the resize, sharpen, curves etc
>>   7.3 resize image smaller (e.g. to 56.25%)
>>   sharpen, curves, etc. if needed, and save again...
>> and so on, sometimes as many as 10 different sizes.
>>
>> So I don't want to have to re-enter the filename 10 times.
> 
> we are helping you by keeping the same filename filled in as
> default in the export. you remind me here that we can even help
> you for the first export by filling in the filename of the xcf.
> you also remind me that it is not specified what the default file
> type should be for export (it cannot be xcf...) it is easy to
> define it as ‘same as last time’ but what will be the very first
> default? some truly open format?
> 
>> It's important to me that I can see when I saved something in terms
>> of undo history / workflow.  I rely on the "*" a lot, from when I
>> last saved as PNG.  But, it would be even better if Save and Export
>> events appeared in the undo history (even though obviously "undo"
>> would have to skip over them, you can't undo a save with most file
>> systems!).
> 
> the "*" can only help you when saving, that is to xcf.
> 
> although Save and Export cannot be real undo list items
> (they are not targets or undoable), I can be convinced to
> annotate the undo history with the Save and Export moments.
> 
>      --ps
> 
>          founder + principal interaction architect
>              man + machine interface works
> 
>          http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture
> 
> 
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