[Gimp-web] Re: Re: Re: Re: anyone try the news out?
Carol Spears
carol at gimp.org
Thu Apr 3 17:38:15 2003
On 2003-04-03 at 1852.10 +0200, Rapha?l Quinet typed this:
> On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:04:54 -0500, Carol Spears <carol@gimp.org> wrote:
> > On 2003-04-02 at 2230.44 +0200, Rapha?l Quinet typed this:
> > > On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:49:37 -0500, Carol Spears <carol@gimp.org> wrote:
> > > > apparently no one will try the news site out.
> > > [...]
> > > > how about if we bundle up what we have done and put it all on ebay? i
> > > > would consider sending news of the sites closing to this nice working
> > > > news interface, but i don't think anyone comes here.
> > >
> > > Well, well, well... You seem to give up a bit too quickly. :-)
> > >
define quick.
i watched the site. i watched it not get used. i watched there be no
opinions other than "why aren't you writing a how to for 1.3"? i
watched it not be useful. i watched it not be tested. i actually saw
it hide information. there is a channel mixer plug-in on one of the
tutorials there. had it not been covered up there, perhaps it would
have been discovered sooner, for instance.
i don't know if the mechanism works, or fits peoples needs. except for
myself.
i thought i was building a site that was easily maintainable. however,
i am unable to maintain it. i am unable to be the only one posting
links. i am unable to settle down, waiting for someone who is free from
compilation weirdness to test my how-to-compile-gimp. i am unable to
settle down on this. truly.
trust me. you don't need to get involved, you can take my word for it,
this current site is unmaintainable and not worth the effort. i tested
it thoroughly.
> > March 5 was when i asked that people at least test the contest. perhaps
> > i didn't give it a whole month for a response.
>
> Hmmm... The only message that I saw on this list dated from the 5th of
> March is the one in which you announce that you have put the files in
> CVS, but that message does not contain the word "test". ;-)
>
maybe i used the words "try out". maybe i thought i said these things.
it actually at this point doesn't matter what the presentation i gave it
was. the site was put out to two lists. it stood on it's own. it
failed to get a response. might even be responsible for preventing
development and growth from what i can see. thank goodness i pasted a
non-gimp.org url so that the channel mixer could be found!
if its biggest effect on The GIMP is to discourage growth, it should be
taken down immediately. it is so so not working as i thought it would.
> > truly, i think that the site is too little and too late.
> >
>
> Don't give up! We still need a new site. I don't want to spend the
> rest of my GIMP life maintaining the old web site.
>
> You should not call it quits so easily. First, because a lot of
> progress has been made so far and the results are starting to look
> nice. Second, because you have some responsability for the new site
> now (he he he... this is a double-edged sword). Starting something
> and then giving up because others do not seem to care or because some
> of them are not happy with the results is a sure way to kill a free
> software or open source project. Because as soon as you start
> something and announce it to the community, most of those who could
> have worked on a similar thing stop their work (and in the best case
> decide to join your effort). Since your baby mmmaybe.gimp.org is now
> the official GIMP prince, you should not kill it while so many people
> are waiting for it to become the new king. Instead, let's kill the
> old king as soon as the prince has grown up a bit, and long live the
> new king!
>
i really think that the very very best and most efficient way to
communicate what you need to work gimp would be a white page with these
two links:
http://www.google.com and
http://www.ebay.com
this is the best way to find the mail lists (you will be better prepared
by then for the list that you find).
personally, i am need of some cash. i was thinking about stripping the
gnu/ from my copy. adding that gpl thing that doesn't really apply to
written words or art in the comments of each page. making a tarball of
it and offering it for free from my website. and then offereing to send
you a disc of it (with some extra pages) via ebay for $30.
if my plan works right, someone will buy it and file a bugreport about
the compiling howto, and i can get someones opinion.
don't think i am quitting!! i am merely looking at my options and which
thing will most quickly solve my problems and this poors sites problems
also.
nice to hear from you Rapha?l. :)
i have a private log in which i am blue and sorry that i didn't get the
site up *before* you got married. too little too late :)
carol
> > i learned recently that better than a how-to, the developers prefer to
> > hold your hand and give you the instructions step by step.
>
> Many developers are bad at writing documentation (myself included).
> Helping someone step by step may be a quick and easy way to help a
> person and it saves you the trouble of having to think about how to
> write a clear and well-structured how-to. But this does not scale.
> A developer cannot hold 1000 hands at the same time. That's why we
> have documentation.
>
> If no developer is able or willing to write these how-to's, then let's
> hope that some volunteers who are better at writing this stuff can
> work in close cooperation with the relevant developers and produce a
> nice document. Sure, we need some volunteers. But maybe we can start
> with a limited set of documents, get the new site up and running, and
> then call for help. I am convinced that we would get more help if
> people could see that a lot of progress has been made with the web
> site. They will be more likely to contribute if they see that the
> site is alive and actively maintained.
>
> > also, something about the tutorial presentation. they seem new and
> > wonderful and brand new, when i paste the original locations url. but
> > go unnoticed on the alpha site.
>
> I have to admit that I never looked at the tutorials section. There
> seem to be lots of good stuff there! But there are many things listed
> on this page and I am sure that I would not see if you add or remove a
> couple of links from one day to the next. What we need is a
> conditional text next to each link that can display something like
> "Updated 2003-04-03" (using appropriately bright colors) if a page was
> added or updated less than a month ago. After one month, this text
> would be automatically removed from the page.
>
> > too little too late. i think it should be put into a tarball and placed
> > in that nice little place on sourceforge where failed ideas go.
>
> Tsk tsk tsk... For the Nth time: you give up too quickly! ;-)
>
> -Rapha?l
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