[Gimp-web] Menu proposal.

[Branko Collin]

On 16 Aug 2003, at 23:38, Carol Spears wrote:
> Raphaël Quinet wrote:
>
> >Yes.  But of course, I would like to change two small things:
> >- Use "Bugs" instead of "Bugzilla".
> >- Swap "Tutorials" and "Documentation" to have "Documentation" 
> >  on top.  It would be even better to remove "Tutorials" from 
> >  the menu, but see below.
>
> The tutorials are the reason and the biggest use of the site.  You
> forget this is the users site.
>
> Reading this makes me want to kick the documentation completely out of
> the users site and designate them only for the developers.

I agree, that is also an option.

> This is an art making app; Raphael, I am not certain how long it has
> been since you *used* TheGIMP, but this suggestion tells me that it
> has been a very very long time.

I have got the feeling (please, both of you correct me if I am wrong) 
that you and Niklas see 'documentation' as a word that only 
designates a reference manual. For me it is a word that encompasses 
all forms of learning material related to a product. However, if 
there's so much confusion about this word, perhaps we should use 
another.

As Raphael pointed out, though, lots of sites use the word 
'Documentation' withouth causing confusion. Could you and Niklas give 
examples of sites where all learning materials have been gathered 
under one menu heading that is not called 'documentation'? If 
anything, that would help in this discussion.
 
> Should we completely kick anything that appears in docbook style only
> to developer.gimp.org and leave the tutorials here, so that the
> developers can figure out more easily what is going on here?

I think there may be an added problem: it was decided at GIMPCon that 
the documentation (the help files) would not be shipped with the 
official GIMP. This means that it is up to the distributors to 
include the help files. If they do not include those files, the only 
recourse for users is the user site. So we may actually be doing the 
users a favour by putting the docs there. Of course, I guess it's 
only a slim chance that the help files will not be distributed with 
the GIMP.

> Also, perhaps we should discuss the name of the test site now.  These
> were issues that were discussed ages ago.  I wonder who some of the
> blockers to this pathetic excuse for a site are actually working for.

Could you refresh my memory? The name of the test site? 

BTW, Carol, have you read 
<http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119210>? It would seem 
that this is relevant to what you're discussing above.

-- 
branko collin
collin@xs4all.nl