[Gimp-web] new web project

[Shawn T Amundson]

Ultimately, gimp.org is my responsibility.  As such, if there are ever any
serious issues that need discussing, I'm perfectly willing to act as a
mediator.  If I am not monitoring the list, I always read e-mail sent
directly to me.  Otherwise, I think I do a pretty good job of staying out
of everyone's way.  Obviously, Manish has a lot of say about everything 
gimp.org.

Now, let's talk about who controls the content on the website.  There
seems to be some confusion here.  Let's keep it simple: no one.  This is
a community site and as such needs to be run by a community, not a
dictatorship.  As such, whoever puts the most effort into the site is
going to have more say than others.  There are obvious issues of respect
which must be upheld, and contributors must all take each other very
seriously.

It is really that simple.

That said, I think it is a good idea to start on a site that really does 
push a newer GIMP.  It may also be valuable to delay the changing of the
current site to make this happen.  That will be decided through discussion,
not dictatorship.

-Shawn


On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 01:38:52AM -0400, Carol Spears wrote:
> I am starting work on the new gimp web site.  Either for gimp-1.4 or for 
> gimp2.0, as I cannot remember what they finally decided on.  the old 
> site has been trashed for too many tardy points.
> 
> The rules are this: 
> 
> Content is never removed.  Removing means actual removal or hiding from 
> users.  Content is never removed.
> 
> If I quit it is probably because I am having a bad day or Sven pissed me 
> off.  It will not be taken seriously, however, the photography should be 
> appreciated.  And what ever pissed me off will be guessed about until I 
> can return and speak nicely about it.  Reflection on what *you* might 
> have done wrong that would piss me off is good for everyone and highly 
> recommended.
> 
> Help should be help. If it is not actual help, please keep it for 
> someone who needs it.  I will need actual help.
> 
> If I fire you it means "I told you no yesterday nicely and you ignored 
> me".  Especially if this is being typed lightly to an old friend, in the 
> morning, on my birthday week, while I am trying to manage company, on 
> the irc.  What I really want you to do is to remember that Sven works on 
> dgo where some of the stuff the users need would be redundant. 
> 
> Content is never removed.
> 
> Everyone on the web team will understand that the lead gimp developers 
> don't have the slightest clue what users need.  The word redundant 
> actually means "undocumented", for instance.  While we are so glad that 
> they are building such a great application; our response to their 
> suggestions or even simple displays of interest will be to find a random 
> bug to point them at and then immediatly warn the rest of the team that 
> they are around and potentially dangerous.  Code phrase will be "mealy 
> bug in the maltomeal" in case you are frightened or stressed.  They need 
> to be distracted and not involved, carefully though, because we respect 
> them mostly.
> 
> I gladly take responsibility for all problems, even if you created the 
> problem.  If you are manly enough to step in and take the blame from me, 
> I will respect you as a man or female or other (your choice) and 
> remember this forever.  I also remember who allows me to take the blame 
> for their stupid mistakes, and your "smart and able points" get adjusted 
> while I bravely suffer your consequences.  I will make the story bigger 
> and bigger as well.  It will suck to be you.
> 
> Content is never removed. 
> 
> My heros approve my ideas, so when I tell my team what we are doing, 
> there is a chance that I have discussed it with "powers greater than me" 
> and even if I type in a female way about it, that is not a reflection of 
> the people behind it.  Assume that some very great people have counceled 
> me on these decisions.  I am lucky, some people whose good software 
> decisions have changed the world seem to take great delight in telling 
> me their secrets and helping me understand the problems with computers 
> and information exchange.  You should wish to be as lucky as i am, and 
> do as I say.
> 
> gimp dot org has always hand edited the Changelogs and pasted this into 
> the cvs changelog.  I cannot remember why, but the web team will not be 
> the group to change this.
> 
> Content is never removed.
> 
> The new gimp web site will be made of good old fashioned tables.  Not 
> very nested tables, but old fashioned tables none the less.  Wilber 
> whispered to me that we need to set a table in the zengarden, since 
> those people are starving and need food.  Table design for the new site.
> 
> If you are an "old gimp developer" and you don't know that we hand edit 
> the Changelog, you instantly reduce yourself back to the "dangerous 
> newbie" status.
> 
> I (carol) am the only one allowed to smoke in the non-smoking room at my 
> house, if you come to visit.  And anyone is welcome to visit.  You don't 
> smoke in the non-smoking room, I do.
> 
> We will never have the discussion of why the gimp dot org people hand 
> edit the Changelog.  It is an old discussion, so long ago I forget why 
> we hand edit it.  As a member of the team, you accept this and only 
> bitch in non-gimp mail and irc channels about it.  You are allowed to 
> bitch about it on GimpNet, just not on the wrong day.
> 
> I (carol) am the only one allowed to make rules like this for the 
> gimp-web team also.
> 
> No one is allowed to use the f-word on the irc (in #gimp) either.  Hell, 
> I don't want to read that shit in #unicode either so no f-word allowed 
> there either. 
> 
> Content is never removed.  We know that content is just useless and 
> ignored padding.  We reverently never remove content inspite of the ugly 
> facts.  We are cool like that.
> 
> === end of rules ===
> 
> wgo has tauted gimp-1.0 for so long, if we don't start two weeks ago 
> with the new site, there will be a gimp4 before we know it and gimp-1.0 
> will be there, still.  and this is fine because i love this site.  i 
> will do everything that i can to maintain the integrity of this site 
> that Adrian and jtl wrote so well.  if it does stay there, as it did 
> through the development of that other site that i guess users did not 
> like, well that will be fine.  I love the original gimp site.  I hope 
> that html will let that cool lowersrc affect happen again.  the gimp 
> site is supposed to be cool like that, i am sorry i failed with the 
> other site, i will not fail again.
> 
> if you don't like or understand these rules, go away.  volunteering for 
> a free software project should be fun and cool.  if you can't be fun and 
> cool, then you need to go get a job.
> 
> love,
> carol
> 
> ps. email me your ideas and be patient and forgiving and persistant. 
> once again, the perfect site is in my head.  if you can show me a piece 
> of this in some sort of electronically exchangable form, I will consider 
> this help (see the rules) and be grateful.
> 
> 
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Shawn T. Amundson

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